Historic St. Anthony Catholic Church
258 Ohio, Wichita, Ks
2nd St. & Ohio
Two blocks east of Old Town
Sunday Mass at 1:oo
English/Latin missals provided. Join us for coffee and donuts after mass downstairs in the St. Clair/Sunshine room, south exterior basement entrance.
Pastor of St. Anthony Parish: Fr. Ben Nguyen
EFLR Celebrants: Fr. John Jirak, Fr Nicholas Voelker
Master of Ceremonies: Tony Strunk
Choir Director: Bernie Dette

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Fr. Nicholas Voelker celebrates Low Mass Saturdays at 8:00 a.m., St. Mary's Catholic Church, 106 East 8th street, Newton. There is no mass this Saturday, January 30, 2016.

Monday, September 5, 2011

Post #191

Topics: Re-post of James Spencer Article Response: CORRECTED...Latin Mass Representative:   Ralph Di Mattia Also Responds to SSPX Article
By Ralph Di Mattia


PLEASE NOTE: Venite Missa Est! unwittingly omitted a full page of text when pasting an article by James Spencer in our last post, Post #190. Re-posted below is the piece in it's entirety. My sincerest apologies to Mr. Spencer...please re-read this article for the complete jist of Mr. Spencer's thoughts on the subject.

Also included in this post is a response by St. Anthony parishioner and Latin Mass representative, Ralph
 Di Mattia.

As an after thought I deleted Post #190 which contained the above mentioned mistake. This humbled blog is now up to date with the correct articles in their entirety.

...and now for the necessaries.

Please note: St. Anthony Catholic Church is one of only two churches celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass (EFLR) in the Wichita area. Though this blog is loosely centered around this parish and it's members, Venite Missa Est! is by no means, in any way an official voice of, or for, St. Anthony Parish or the Diocese of Wichita. Venite Missa Est! is strictly a private layman's endeavor.


Response to Chris Ferrara Article
by Jim Spencer

Venite Missa Est recently reprinted an article from The Remnant by Mr. Chris Ferrara, which article attempted to put the burden of identifying the Society of St. Pius X’s  (SSPX) “theological issues” with the Catholic Church on the Pope rather than on SSPX.

Mr. Ferrara is an outstanding Catholic lawyer, who has done and continues to do much pro bono work for the Church, especially in the Pro Life area.  Nevertheless, I feel he erred in assigning this responsibility to Rome rather than to SSPX.  To understand his error, one needs to review a little history.

In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre ordained four bishops for his SSPX, not only without the permission of then-Pope John Paul II but even against the Pope’s expressed instructions.  Thereby he and his four new bishops thereby suffered automatic excommunication.  The Pope immediately moved toward a reconciliation.  In fact, he sent then-Cardinal Ratzinger to meet with Archbishop Lefebvre and work toward resolving these problems.  This effort failed.

In the Pope’s subsequent approaches to Archbishop Lefebvre, the Archbishop always insisted that SSPX had certain ‘doctrinal issues’ with Rome relative to the Vatican II Council.  (Please keep in mind that Archbishop Lefebvre participated in that Council and signed every Council Document.)  When the Pope sought to explore those “doctrinal issues,” Archbishop Lefebvre, without ever identifying the specific issues, responded that SSPX had two pre-requisites before they would even discuss them: First, the Pope must lift the five excommunications; and second that the Pope must issue a “universal indult’ for celebration of Mass according to the 1962 Missale Romanum.

Pope John Paul II demurred.

There things stood until Cardinal Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI.  In 2005, he lifted the five excommunications, thereby satisfying SSPX’s first pre-requisite.  In 2007 he more than satisfied their second precondition by issuing his moto proprio titled Summorum Pontificum, which goes far beyond the requested universal indult and allows every priest in the Latin Rite to use the 1962 Missale Romanum whenever he wishes.  Then, to facilitate resolving whatever “doctrinal issues” SSPX might have, Benedict XVI moved the Ecclesia Dei Commission (EDC), which has jurisdiction over use of the 1962 missal, into the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).

With all SSPX’s prerequisites more than satisfied, the Pope has had several meetings with SSPX’s leader, Bishop Fellay, to discuss SSPX’s “doctrinal issues.”  The Pope has remained silent about these meetings, but Bishop Fellay has gone public multiple times, each time accusing “Rome” of being uncooperative.

Question #1: Does “uncooperative” mean that the Pope has not agreed with SSPX positions on whatever their unspecified “theological issues” are?

Question #2: Since Vatican II was a strictly pastoral Council that made no new definitions of doctrine, how could SSPX have any “doctrinal issues” resulting from Vatican II?  Pastoral issues are possible, but not doctrinal issues.

Question #3: If SSPX’s issues are strictly pastoral, who’s in charge of the Church and who can make pastoral decisions, the Pope or SSPX?  Our Lord said to Peter, “Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven . . . “  He guaranteed papal infallibility for matters of faith and morals but not for prudential judgments in pastoral matters.  But He made it clear that the Pope is to be obeyed in pastoral matters, even if his prudential judgment is flawed.  The only exception is if the Pope ordered something sinful, which SSPX has not alleged, or even suggested.

Question #4: If SSPX has “issues” with Rome, whether doctrinal or pastoral, who should identify those “issues,” Rome or SSPX?   According to Mr. Ferrara, that responsibility falls to Rome.

Clearly, if SSPX has any issues impeding their return to “full communion” with the Church, SSPX is responsible for identifying those issues, submitting them to the Pope and then abiding by his decisions, whether in matters of faith and morals or simply in pastoral matters.

How could a brilliant Catholic lawyer like Mr. Ferrara think otherwise?

Mr. Ferrara also suggests that since the excommunications have been lifted, the four SSPX bishops are automatically in “full communion” with the Church.  Not so.  Any bishop who is in full communion “reports to” the pope and has an assignment (such as a diocese) from the pope.  None of the four SSPX bishops have shown any willingness to submit to the pope’s authority in all matters not sinful or to accept an assignment from the pope.


St. Anthony Parishioner and Latin Mass Representative Responds to SSPX Article
By Ralph Di Mattia

 I would like to add a very key statement recently published in the Inside The Vatican Magazine Aug - Sept issue.      Page 59 and I quote:    " The ordination of 20 new priests for the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X are "illegitimate, period" said the Vatican spokesman, Fr. Federico Lombardi.   The group ordained four priests in mid-June in Winoma, MN., twelve new priests in late June at its headquarters in Econe, Switzerland, and  four new priests July 3 at its seminary in Zaitzkofen, Germany."    

                                        Ralph Di Mattia  -  Latin Mass Community Representative